Did you know this about the muslim woman?
In the culture, especially Pakistani that I am very familiar with as I lived in it for 5 years (not Pakistan, but the community in the US) and still am very into, they have a lot of dinner parties and birthday parties, did you know this? Did you know that for each occasion, her husband buys her new clothing and jewellry along with a nice pair of shoes to match, including the children (in my experience anyway)? Did you know we are not as oppressed as you think, even though I am white, but they are the same? Did you know that we go shopping when we want to, go for a drive when we feel like it, take the kids out, and have the right to demand payment for the housework and child care? Does any of this surprise you? Does it surprise you to know that most of our husbands do not complain as long as when they are hungry there is food available for them to either reheat or microwave and bread to eat it with? And did you know that if they lay a hand on us out of anger, rarely, we rescind?
It doesn't have to be diamonds and gold, now come on, that would be too much. Just a nice fashionable set from one of the stores is good enough. Otherwise it would just be ridiculous.
Think about that? Yeah, I did, when I was shopping for a lot of the clothing and jewellry in Pakistan, especially at the Pakistani weddings. Only in the west? Please! They brought it over FROM Pakistan.
Ok, what part of "Brought over from Pakistan" do you not understand? This is what goes on there a lot of the time. You say "try that there", what part about "I did, while shopping there" is hard to understand? And not with men, only with my one sister in law while the men were out in another area of the city doing their own shopping.
I counted 16 camels, in a herd, and that was it. Most people have cars, either Toyota or Honda. And their interiors are all leather, for many of the cars. Oh, and they come with these little pillows that can go around the top of the seats with elastic, for each passenger. Very comfortable. I suppose it amazes you to know that they have freeways, too, just like us, right?
in islam, a daughter is considered as much of a blessing as 7 Qurans, but there is nothing mentioned about sons! (said by the Prophet) if that doesn’t say something about the status of women in islam, i don’t know what does…also what the first answerer said.
to the person who answered right before me: i’m not trying to start an argument or anyhting, but i want to clear a few things up. muslim women CAN choose to have children or not. i was reading an Islamic book and it said something about contraceptives and certain ones are allowed. also, if she wants a child, her husband can’t refuse. and they definitely can go outside and join classes and such without their husbands’ permission. i know in a lot of muslim countries, it is like that and i have no idea why…i mean, they aren’t following the Quran’s teachings, but anyway, they will be punished.
No doubt about what you said .
It was your prophet who said : No men has the right to beat his wife up even with the pedicel of basil .
i knew all this, i’m glad that you are speaking out, good for you =).
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bravo!! - i am familiar with it—wish more would be……
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I wish everyone used their brains and came to the conclusion that you wrote down…
That we are proud to be Muslims… and that freedom is NOT being able to walk around naked… freedom is something that us Muslim women are blessed with…
BUT… the world isn’t perfect…
I know… people just think we are oppressed.. when we lived in Pakistan my dad did not get to buy a lot of stuff for us because we did not have a lot of money but now in US my mom gets her own money and can buy what ever she likes
It suprised me when I first heard about it, the anti-muslim propaganda in America is very pervasive…
Muslim women deserve to be treated with respect, just as Muslim men do. It is so sad when people believe that Islam is a cause for oppression of women, when really a lot of the times it is culture. But from what you wrote, the Pakistani culture that you have seen is working hand in hand with Islam! Al Humduallah!
This is all nice. The majority of Muslims do not do this. Islam teaches us to live by modest means. Many Muslims do not celebrate birthdays with parties and such. I think it is easy for you to say Muslim women are not oppressed because your a white American. However, Muslim women are oppressed to a certain point. Pakistani culture does not represent all Muslims. They have taken many aspects of their culture from India.. Like showing off their money. The Quran says one should live modest and save, spend what they need.
OMG…. and do you have cars, or do you still get around on camels?
Thats great for you, and I know it is true for lots of women who enjoy this life, but things like the freedom to make ones own decisions and earn ones own income outside the home are much more important to me than shopping, new clothes, jewellery or parties.
From my experiance, the Muslim women I know cant choose whether they want to have children or not, some need their husbands permission to do things like join evening classes, go out with their friends, or even make new friends, and some find this difficult to obtain.
I find the married Muslim women I know find it harder to have a career, or to negiotiate role sharing within the partnership, like the husband coming home and cooking for the children some nights, instead of being at work of with his friends, while the wife goes out on her own. I know this is true for many women, but I notice it more amongst Muslims.
My fiance buys me small things twice a year, christmas and birthday, sometimes anniversary as well. I have my own house, my own income, my own career, my own friends. I will keep this when I marry (swapping own house for own space) and I ask for nothing more. I think all women should remember to be themselves first, and wives second.
Theres some awful answers you have to ignore the bad of it
Yes, I know all that, thank you. I live in Morocco, and Moroccan women have a lot of the same freedoms. They work, they go shopping, they drive, they go outside together (just women), they don’t always cook dinner, they have parties, they get new clothes, etc.
But unfortunately, in some countries (KSA, Iran), women ARE oppressed, and while I personally know it has nothing to do with Islam itself, it’s still the responsibility of us, specifically women, and even more specifically, Muslims, to denounce the way women in those countries (and sometimes others) are treated.
None of what you have told me is unfamiliar. I still like parroting the quote about Heaven being at the feet of the mother… much to the dismay of many who get irritated at me of constantly babbling such things, but darn it, it’s beautiful.
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You must be in the upper levels of society for your husband to buy you jewelry for every party.
Great post!!
Although most will strive to believe the opposite because of what they heard as opposed to listening to someones real experience.
You can only do those things in western liberal secular democracies. Muslim women in muslim countries do not enjoy such freedoms. Think about THAT.
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I’ll tell you what the Pakistanis brought over to England from their "Culture"….honor killings and forced cousin marriages. Ghettos and suicide bombers in London.
I judge people by their deeds not their words.
sounds like your rich are you gloating?
Yeah some slaveowners treated their slaves real nice in the antebellum South too.
The Koran says you’re property and that your husband has the right to beat you if you disobey him.
I think that there are some more fundamental cultural practices in the middle east where women get beat if they go out in public without a male escort. I don’t think all Muslims are this way. I do think that there are some Christians sects that are abusive to women too.
Pakistani people are not as we think of them. I also have Pakistanis in my localities.. besides their men are hot.. they r somewhat interesting and fun-loving ppl.
They spend a lot.. mainly cuz they like showing off their wealth among others.
Again your avatar is a nice one.
No, I guess I did not know that. It’s easy sometimes to judge without knowing the true facts. Culturally we share the same values regarding Family and other. Thanks for sharing.
Don’t worry girl, I know… Two of my best friends are muslim women.
May Allah;s Peace and Blessings Be upon U sister!!
Yes sister, Its true!!
Pakistani and middle eastern women are very beautiful.
especially Pakistani that I am very familiar with as I lived in it for 5 years (not Pakistan, but the community in the US)
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What the Quran says about women’s rights:
2:228 "(Women) have rights similar to those (of men) over them in kindness, and men are a degree above them."
2:282 "And call two witness from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not at hand, then a man and two women."
4:3 "Marry of the women, who seem good to you, two or three or four."
4:11 "To the male the equivalent of the portion of two females, and if there be women more than two, then theirs is two-thirds of the inheritance, and if there be one (only) then the half."
4:15 "As for those of your women who are guilty of lewdness, call to witness four of you against them. And if they testify (to the truth of the allegation) then confine them to the houses until death take them."
40:20 "And if ye wish to exchange one wife for another…."
4:34 "Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them."
4:176 "Unto the male is the equivalent of the share of two females."
24:31 "And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to reveal their adornment save to their own husbands. … And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment."
33:30 "O ye wives of the Prophet! Whosoever of you committeth manifest lewdness, the punishment for her will be doubled, and that is easy for Allah."
33:32-33 "O ye wives of the Prophet! Ye are not like any other women. … Stay in your houses."
33:53 "When ye ask of them (the wives of the Prophet) anything, ask it of them from behind a curtain. That is purer for your hearts and for their hearts. And it is not for you to cause annoyance to the messenger of Allah, nor that ye should ever marry his wives after him. Lo! that in Allah’s sight would be an enormity."
33:59 "O Prophet! Tell thy wives and thy daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks close round them (when they go abroad)."
65:1 "O Prophet! When ye (men) put away women…."
66:5 "If he [Muhammad] divorce you, will give him in your stead wives better than you, submissive (to Allah), believing, pious, penitent, devout, inclined to fasting, widows and maids."
I also know that your husband can murder you and simply say that you offended his honor and he gets away with it.
Go to Iraq or Iran and live there or even Pakistan and after you been there five years lets see if your views are the same.
Spell evain backwards. You are propected in a number of ways in the US that you are not in Pakistan. Go live in the backroads there and see how women are treated.
I hope they are treated that well, I usually hear of Muslim women being treated badly, as "lower" than men. So this is a better picture than what I usually hear of but still, I don’t feel men should have the power. The power should be absolutely equal.
if they don’t know that there is another side to Islam that is what it says…PEACEFUL…THEN IT IS ABOUT TIME THEY HEAR IT STRIGHT FROM OUR MOUTHS. it is about time they understand our customs and stop bashing us for it. because to MOST of them NOT ALL, our husbands beat us till we bleed and pass out. like the taliban beat the poor woman, may Allah be with the innocent women. Ameen
to MOST but NOT ALL our husbands don’t let us go to the Masjid for Jumma…yet i go to a Masjid full of sister every Friday…they don’t know our ways, but they think they do. and they bash us from their own understanding.
there is a point of tolerance. a point when we do not bash them to what they believe as in a higher power. this we are to tolerate. but we are grown tired to misunderstandings that we are all the same. WE ARE NOT. we are not all non violent. and we are not all violent. sister what i can not understand is why haven’t all the people seen this yet. why do so many still crush us with their understanding. still my faith will stand stronger to no matter how much i am hated. and not everyone is ignorant to our ways. many take great curiousity to the Islamic ways. and we need more like them. insha’Allah